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Post by Chris on Dec 26, 2005 20:56:13 GMT -5
I watched the "Christmas Miracle" episode where Ryan and Kendall were trapped in the church. Ryan found his necklace that his mom gave him and he said that he hated her except for the moment she gave him that.
What I don't understand is why he doesn't remember all the great memories of his mother that he talked about with Chris Stamp? There were several times that he remembered fondly back in those days. Now he hated her all along???
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Post by donutqueen on Dec 26, 2005 21:13:49 GMT -5
I think the entire "Lavery" backstory was rewritten when tptb wanted to introduce Jonathan and Erin. Even the name- it had been "Curry" not "Lavery"!! Ryan's mom had had the occassional 'blue sky day' where everything was great until Patrick disappeared one day (Chris had killed him) and them the mom never had a blue sky day again.... but obviously Chris did not kill Patrick in this timeline, since Patrick was still around when Ryan finally left.
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Post by Chris on Dec 26, 2005 21:21:37 GMT -5
I forgot about the Curry last name. But I thought the Blue Sky Days were days when she was with Chris Stamp - they were lovers - and he was the only one that made her a real person again (happy and sober)... It was a long time ago and my memory is weak.
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Post by trixie on Dec 26, 2005 21:33:35 GMT -5
Oh, no, I wasn't watching during the Chris Stamp time, so my only memory of Mommy Lavery is of Greenlee during one of Ryan's nightmares. This is not a good thing
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Post by donutqueen on Dec 26, 2005 21:44:04 GMT -5
The way Ryan describe his mom back then was different. I didn't get the sense she was a hopeless alcoholic, but maybe had problems with depression and spousal abuse and possible drank some to deal with all of that. Good days were called 'blue sky days' by her. (Chris took a picture of her during one of these days and that's how Ryan was clued into her and Chris's relationship). However once Ryan told Chris that Patrick left once and never returned and she never had a blue sky day again...
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Post by Chris on Dec 26, 2005 22:01:55 GMT -5
The way Ryan describe his mom back then was different. I didn't get the sense she was a hopeless alcoholic, but maybe had problems with depression and spousal abuse and possible drank some to deal with all of that. See, that's what I thought too. But then to hear him talk the other day in the chapel... Ryan said he hated his mom. That he resented her because all she did was drink and allow his dad to beat up on him. But he never mentioned the "good" times that he had talked about with Chris.
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Post by donutqueen on Dec 26, 2005 22:10:54 GMT -5
I assume the entire backstory was rewritten when tptb wanted to introduce a younger brother. First they made Ryan no longer Chris's son (which had never really worked due to the DNA test during the Kit/Braden rape SL). Then it was Lavery not Curry. Then Ryan left before Patrick dies... then Ryan's mom is a useless drunk.... then tptb make us all go mad with constant SL rewrites...
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Post by Chris on Dec 26, 2005 22:16:36 GMT -5
Not to mention that poor Gillian never even heard of any of these siblings - - let alone Ryan's poor, awful background.
I hope they have it all straight now.
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Post by donutqueen on Dec 26, 2005 22:28:08 GMT -5
I hate that with this rewritten background Ryan comes off looking like a schmuck. Before he was a son who cared about his mom (he found her a nice hospice when the cancer got bad) and into a selfcentered egotist who never cared enough to check on his younger siblings. It's bad writing!!!
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Post by Chris on Dec 26, 2005 22:42:26 GMT -5
ITA. I love Ryan and he sure is hot to look at. Plus Cameron does an amazing job at pulling off whatever they give him. But sometimes it's hard to keep up with exactly what went on in his past. It's like TPTB are making things up as they go, when they probably should have cared enough years ago to write something solid to build on. But I'm not suggesting he's the only one with a completely rewritten past. How many freaking babies has Erica lost in her lifetime? Sheesh!
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Post by donutqueen on Dec 26, 2005 22:45:09 GMT -5
good point! I often wish tptb could just be more consistant!
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Post by texans08 on Dec 26, 2005 23:54:13 GMT -5
i think there are some definate inconsistencies BUT...we knew just enough about the not so good aspect of Mama Lavery that what is being said now is'nt too farfetched. atleast not to me.
I think was fuels Ryans "hatred" for mom right now is more or less what has happened to Jon. she did'nt stop what was happening to the kids. and now, due to jon, her lack of intervention shines bright. ryan said he hated her except for her giving him that necklace. the necklace is all fine and dandy BUT as their mother, she should have done more.
i don't think ryan or the other two really "hate" her, they loved her therefor felt extremely let down but at the same time, she's still their mother.
ok..now i'm rambling! LOL
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Post by donutqueen on Dec 26, 2005 23:59:54 GMT -5
I think Tex hit it on the head.. the way Ryan feels about their mom now, in the current writing of his backstory.... but would he really have talked so sweetly about her to Chris if he'd felt this way about his mom then?
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Post by Chris on Dec 27, 2005 7:41:30 GMT -5
I think not, but I like the story enough to go with Ryan's feelings in the moment. Sometimes it's hard to forget the bad things when they so heavily outweigh the good times. But months from now, we really shouldn't be sitting through Ryan, Jonathan and Erin laughing about the good times they had with mom.
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Post by texans08 on Dec 27, 2005 11:52:58 GMT -5
talking so sweetly to Chris..well..again, i think they could explain that without getting off track. During the Chris Stamp days, Ryan was not aware of the extent Jons abuse and had still basically "blocked out" his childhood. More recently, Ryan has acknowledged that he was wrong for not going back to get his siblings. he said that he was too caught up in himself and blocked it out as though, if i don't think about it, it will go away or would have never happened in the first place. Basically, they could write it as a "false sense of reality" which is common with kids/adults from abusive homes. What Ryan told Chris about mom was'nt exactly the way it was but more like, the way Ryan wished it had been and ultimately convinced himself of it. That view of his mom protected Ryan from the harsh reality that his mother, a little boys first love, let him and his siblings down in the worst way. dammit! again with the rambling!
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