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Post by minkie on Mar 11, 2006 17:08:39 GMT -5
Grr, i just don't know WHAT to think!!! It makes him look like gross, especially with Lily. Then again, it would be nice for him to finally have his edge back. Personally, i want him to get his edge WITHOUT having faked it. Also, what is this "Manny" thing? I have no clue what's going on there, cuz i don't watch that show. Personally, when i read that "someone would stop this charade" i thought it was Babe, and she's finally going to stop playing Jr, but i suppose that was just wishful thinking. I'm mad now... Manny is a villain on GH, a real psychopath who stalked women and tried to rape them, among other things. he was caught and (surprise surprise) they found a tumour and removed it. His lawyer got him off the charges using the same defence as Jonathan (and even sighted it). However the audience knows that Manny is really faking it; he's not reformed at all but for the moment is playing like he is. And he never had that little boy thing that Jonathan did. The difference is there was never any doubt that Manny wasn't miraculously better.
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Post by Barbara on Mar 11, 2006 17:12:59 GMT -5
Jonathan faking it does not work for me either. Jonathan healing and getting his edge back is one thing, but faking it ? I personally like watching him progress, becoming more mature. If they screw around with the character, making him the same evil person as he was before the surgery, it may mean an early exit for my fave. Once it is discovered that he is faking it, will there be anything for him in PV? His family will be the most hated family in PV. Erin and Ryan brought him back to town. And what about Ryan? He finally believes he does not have to be like his father, and realizes he can be a good father. If the surgery did nothing to change Jonathan, then the "Lavery curse" is true. I know a lot of you guys want the old Jonathan, but personally I think this story line will suck! And by the way, who the heck is Raven anyway. Sorry, don't mean to rant, but they are messing with my Jonathan.
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Post by donutqueen on Mar 11, 2006 17:22:17 GMT -5
hmmm.. I agree that the faking it aspect is dreadfull.. but just had another thought... what if he gets his "edge" back noww and is about to reveal it when someone rips into him (David or Jack come to mind) so then pretends that he's still gump? okay, that'd still suck, but it would mean that at least he didn't fake it this whole time
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Post by jackiejames on Mar 11, 2006 17:27:14 GMT -5
I am trying for the life of me to figure out WTH is going on with this show....I am not watching (unless they show ghost Ethan. won't even go there ) but I can't believe they brought Jonathan back to redeem him and now they're going to have him faking it??? I feel so bad for you all! If there is anything I can do to help writing, calling or emailing just pm me and let me know....hopefully these "spoilers" are wrong or there's a twist in here somewhere.
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Post by Andrew on Mar 11, 2006 17:27:30 GMT -5
They even referenced Jon in that SL?!? That's hilarious! And now Jon is probably faking it too!
i'm still on the fence with this one...
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Post by minkie on Mar 11, 2006 18:31:04 GMT -5
Yeah Alexis (Manny's lawyer) actually said that she was basing her case on the Jonathan Lavery case from Pine Valley. LOL. You know ABC, they loved to cross-promote.
However GH did a much better job with it; Manny didn't play for the sympathy card, the fans loved that he was so sneaky about it and faking it. It went over much better on that show and I think AMC is now trying to copy it because their tactic with Jonathan didn't work. And they haven't been focusing on Manny at all; he was in the background for all of Feb sweeps and they are only now picking up that storyline again.
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Post by meg24 on Mar 11, 2006 18:47:38 GMT -5
I think the main thing is GH has a writing staff that is far superior to AMC's. I mean on GH at least there is a consistancy in how characters are written and they are not warped for a s/l or pairing. For example as aweful as Soily is Sonny is still Sonny, he is not warped or changed to fit Emily. GH excels where AMC flounders and does re-writes that are ridiculous and ruin characters. The writing is killing this show slowly, but surely...
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Post by jackiejames on Mar 11, 2006 19:07:42 GMT -5
I am thinking the writing staff and EP are killing this show! I feel sorry for the poor actors!
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Post by stg2 on Mar 11, 2006 19:46:06 GMT -5
Did Zendall get a billion letters? There sure is a lot of propping for this Zendull couple... I am about fed up with the show myself..
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Post by Chris on Mar 11, 2006 19:54:19 GMT -5
I really feel badly for Jeff Branson for where they've been taking his storyline. I'd rather Lilly and Jonathan just admit they are great friends, that they care about each other but only in a "friend" way, and then Jonathan can start becoming his old self. Maybe get involved with a job and start building himself back up.
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Post by Brandon on Mar 11, 2006 21:45:12 GMT -5
Personally, i want him to get his edge WITHOUT having faked it. I'm with you, flail. I prefer seeing Jonathan's edge resurface WITHOUT him faking the whole thing. After all the trouble they went through to try and redeem Jonathan, only to screw with us YET AGAIN by having him faking this whole time? Nope, uh-uh. Not having it. I pray to the almighty soap gods that this isn't true and we're all just jumping to conclusions here, but the scary part is that Raven is almost always right. So, who knows. I'm still not really convinced that he is faking, but I couldn't help but raise an eyebrow or two after reading that. Frankly, if he is faking, then I'm done with AMC PERMANENTLY. That would make this whole tumor s/l completely pointless IMO.
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Post by texans08 on Mar 11, 2006 23:30:15 GMT -5
Ok...i've been thinking on it and trying to figure out a way this could possibly work. SPOILERS may be mentioned. Bare with me! LOL
What if we are already seeing signs of the "edge" returning (via his hospital visit with Jackson). As time goes on, his original personality begins to surface and he becomes scared. Scared of how far he's taken his relationship with Lily, torn on what to do, knowing it's not right but does'nt want to break her heart. He also fears that he will be rejected by the town and his family all over again so he "hides" it and continues as he's been until he can figure out what to do. Meanwhile, Petie Courtland is brought back and has a thing for Lily. Petie is quite the "bad boy" and Jon fears for Lily. Lily sees Petie as a "good guy" but Jon knows better. Jon could walk up on Petie being innapriate with Lily OR overhear Petie and some friends talking badly about Lily. Jon looses it, there are witnesses. Ryan and Erin begin to fear for Jon thinking another tumor has developed or some BS like that and insist on more doctors. Ultimately, Jon would be forced to tell his siblings the truth as well as Lily.
I was told a few months ago that Lily would indeed be left with a broken heart. She's about to be 18 so Jack won't have much say so for much longer. Jon as he is NOW would never break her heart. Therefore, something, out of the ordinary would have to happen for Jon to break her heart, even if it's unintentional.
uh...yeah...that's all i got! ;D
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Post by donutqueen on Mar 11, 2006 23:41:14 GMT -5
I'm sure Lily turning 18 will prevent Jackson from having any say in her life... (sorry for the sarcasm there... these spoilers annoy me!)
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Post by Chris on Mar 11, 2006 23:51:37 GMT -5
It sounds great Tex.... which is exactly why it won't happen like that, ha ha!
I'm a little down on the show right now (other then a few Rendall scenes that have been particularly fun).
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Post by texans08 on Mar 11, 2006 23:56:54 GMT -5
you're right. whatever we get, i'm sure most of us could be blind folded, throw a stick and have it land on something better. sigh....
yeah, the show is working my last nerve. i'll be gettin' my rendall groove on but once she's thrown back to zach, i won't watch her scenes. jr marrying that twit...sigh...all i have left are my lavery brothers.
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