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Post by texans08 on Jan 2, 2007 22:44:34 GMT -5
umm...did they turn EJ into a rapist? I saw a promo where he and Sami are in a car together, she says something about him only having her body, he says that's all he's ever wanted and the caption says "EJ rapes Sami". say it aint so!
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Post by Amy on Jan 2, 2007 22:57:58 GMT -5
No way! Not James/Ethan/EJ!!! Okay, I dont' watch DOOL but I don't like to see James being that evil. It's ickey!
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Post by texans08 on Jan 2, 2007 23:10:53 GMT -5
i know he's a "bad boy" on the show, i just have'nt managed to catch it on soapnet in a couple of weeks so i'm behind. i just saw the promo during GH. i know that he had Jon captive but that was it. i had no idea about the other stuff!
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Post by Amy on Jan 2, 2007 23:23:09 GMT -5
Rapist is just such a bad, bad label for any character to carry around. Even if they are the villian. Just look at how it has haunted Todd Manning.
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Post by zoezeppelin on Jan 2, 2007 23:31:21 GMT -5
EJ did rape Sami, but it wasn't violent. He basically said "Have sex with me and I'll help you save Lucas. If you don't, I won't help you save Lucas and your son will die." Thankfully though, there weren't any violent scenes. EJ began to kiss Sami then cut to commercial break. Back from commercials...and it was over. Already fully dressed. No smeared makeup. No blood stains. Nothing. It was the most tame rape scene I'd ever seen. The most disgustingly violent being when Conner raped Emily on GH. Hey, it was really tough for me to watch my most favorite actor portraying such an evil f#@k. But I instead focused on how damn hot he was in that turtleneck...
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Post by zoezeppelin on Jan 3, 2007 5:02:12 GMT -5
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Post by Soaper on Jan 3, 2007 11:39:41 GMT -5
I would NOT call it rape.
dishonorable and wrong certainly.
He wanted to get through a roadblock She wanted him to help her (Lucas her lover was wedged under a beam) He was trying to get out of town to avoid cops (he just shot someone) She said she would do anything He said, "I want to have sex with you." She said, " WHY me?" He told her that his father wanted him to have a kid with her. They struck a deal they had sex even though she wasn't into it.
EJ did take the beam off of Lucas and then he left Salem
BTW Some viewers like to say that she did it because she was afraid of the gun but that makes no sense. If she were afraid he was going to shoot her and Lucas why would she drag him to where Lucas was laying defenseless? He could have had his way with her and then shot them both.
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Post by Chris on Jan 3, 2007 15:42:28 GMT -5
I don't get it - I thought Sami was into EJ? Didn't she used to think he was hot?
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Post by Soaper on Jan 3, 2007 17:08:59 GMT -5
She found out he was a Dimera and that he was sleeping with Lucas' mom.
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Post by Amy on Jan 3, 2007 18:19:06 GMT -5
Soaper, I tend to agree with you on this one. That doesn't really sound like rape to me. It sounds very wrong and slimey but I don't know about it being rape. Of course, I guess it would depend on the definition of rape in whatever state Salem is in.
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Post by zoezeppelin on Jan 3, 2007 20:49:58 GMT -5
She did give her consent. She agreed to his terms.
Honestly I'm split on this one. I just hope they can somehow redeem EJ. I know that his contract is until 2009, but in daytime contracts can be broken according to how a SL is going. I just don't think I could handle watching James get the boot from yet another soap.
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Post by donutqueen on Jan 4, 2007 0:23:46 GMT -5
I'm torn over it as well.. and since they didn't show it to us they are leaving it open. There was no violence involved.. I guess it depends on what you consider consentual and what you consifer forced. At this point in their relationship she would not have jumped at the chance to have sex with EJ. She's wouldn't have done it without regrets.. I'd say it's more like she did it as a whore... she sold the sex in order to get something, in this case not money but his help to save Lucas... she was desperate and willing to do anything to save Lucas.... even if she's feels terrible about the consequences
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Post by zoezeppelin on Jan 4, 2007 1:44:22 GMT -5
I agree Priscilla and Elana.
I just don't know what to make of it.
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Post by Soaper on Jan 4, 2007 12:39:04 GMT -5
then there was this...EJ only wanted her to get him past the roadblock...she would have been dropped off afterward... WHY DIDN'T SHE? She could have walked back to the cops and asked for their help!BTW: I do think that what he did was disgusting, dishonorable and nasty. I just don't like it when people erroneously use the word rape. "Rape" should never be up for debate, it should not be in a grey area. If Sami were afraid of getting shot or if she were afraid that Ej would hurt Lucas it would be but she wasn't afraid he would hurt her or Lucas if she didn't sleep with him. She bartered sex for a favor. That is not rape. TVGuide.com: No, we can't. EJ coerced Sami into having cheap sex with him to save Lucas' life. He gave her no real choice. Sweeney: She definitely was coerced. Now she's agreed to keep it secret that she even saw EJ, who has fled town, and she's taken credit for saving Lucas all alone. In Sami's mind, she negotiated a deal with the devil. Sami feels, "I did what I had to do and I'd do it again." She's not going to second guess it. She can go on and be happy with Lucas because she feels like she earned it. tvguide.com/News-Views/Soaps/QA/default.aspx?
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Post by Chris on Jan 4, 2007 14:22:59 GMT -5
If you were going to give it a nasty name, sounds like "blackmail" might apply, but not "rape."
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