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Post by donutqueen on Feb 27, 2006 12:34:03 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is completely happy with how tptb brought back Jonathan. So I pose the question, how would you have done it? Let's rewind back to immediately after the cave explosion and Ryan has been pulled from the rubble with so sign of Jonathan or Braden's body. How could the "Jonathan is alive yet not a mass murderer and/or responsible for all those deaths" have been done? Did Braden do it all, only to be killed by Jonathan shortly before Ryan arrived? Did Jonathan kill Braden much earlier and then have a breakdown? Or did Bobby Martin go insane after 20 years in the Martin attic and take revenge on the town?
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Post by Kelly on Feb 27, 2006 12:43:43 GMT -5
I'm not very creative...but I would have liked it if Jonathan had actually committed the crimes... and maybe he killed Braden and went crazy, like you suggested. He could have had the tumor, and that would have caused SOME of it, but you would have to see Jonathan dealing with the fact that the tumor can't be blamed for everything, and truly address the abuse that he suffered at the hands of his father. Same with Ryan, Jonathan could have lashed out at Ryan a little more, and they could have made up, etc...and they could have healed TOGETHER.
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Post by donutqueen on Feb 27, 2006 12:53:40 GMT -5
I think the tumor was dumb. A cop out. They could have had Jonthan suffering from DID (split personality disorder) due to the trauma of killing Braden.. or have Jonathan being controlled (with abuse and threats) into doing things by Braden.. or anything. The tumor is being used as a quick fix. It doesn't work that way, there is still all the abuse he would have to have dealt with and the fact he DID all those terrible things. And AMC swept it all under the rug!
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Post by Kelly on Feb 27, 2006 12:56:12 GMT -5
exactly...and tptb spent all this time developing Ryan and this rage thing, which was cured by...Jonathan's tumor? Makes no sense. Now, I thought the whole Ryan's rage monkey thing was ridiculous...but if they were going to go that route, I would have liked to see Jonathan and Ryan healing together...instead of having some lame tumor fix everything.
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Post by donutqueen on Feb 27, 2006 12:58:22 GMT -5
Ryan's rage could have been a great SL.. if they ever dealt with the fact it was post-tramautic stress due from killing his little brother.. instead tptb made it stupid
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Post by Andrew on Feb 27, 2006 13:05:03 GMT -5
This could have been very simple (just go with me on this, lol).
Jonathan and Braden were both in town as long as they were revealed to have been in town. Braden (having broke Jonathan out of the mental hospital) manipulated Jonathan into doing these crimes (because braden has it out for Ryan). Jonathan did them, and then Braden tried to finish Jonathan off as well. Jonathan, out of self defense, killed Braden, and was traumatized after having done all these crimes, and killing his brother. (he also kept the body, because it helped him deal with it). That is when his DID broke through and took control, splitting him into two people. His counter was Braden, who he believed to be alive. This is when we actually SEE jonathan show up in PV. "Braden" (his alternate personality) continued to tell him to do all these horrible things to Ryan and Greenlee. Enter the cave: the rest is history.
Erin could even have found Jonathan, and kept him in her cabin in Canada, just not lock him up. She could have been helping him deal with is DID.
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Post by minkie on Feb 27, 2006 15:53:36 GMT -5
IA with Flail, that's what I would have done too. Instead of the tumour, he has DID, the alter is Braden, and Braden is culpable for at least some of the crimes prior to the cave.
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Post by donutqueen on Feb 27, 2006 22:06:04 GMT -5
I'd have taken Bobby MArtin over this stupid tumor SL
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Post by Kelly on Feb 27, 2006 22:09:07 GMT -5
I hate this tumor s/l. I mean, I REALLY hate it.
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Post by donutqueen on Feb 27, 2006 22:10:39 GMT -5
And it's like that stupid energiser bunny... it keeps going and going and going
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Post by Kelly on Feb 27, 2006 22:11:54 GMT -5
I really don't know how they can fix it...especially now pairing him with Lily.
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Post by donutqueen on Feb 27, 2006 22:13:53 GMT -5
simply put... they can't. tptb have written themselves into a corner.
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Post by Kelly on Feb 27, 2006 22:14:38 GMT -5
how upsetting...really. Jeff Branson is way above this crap.
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Post by donutqueen on Feb 27, 2006 22:15:24 GMT -5
and all the potential Sls that have been wasted by this idiocy!!!
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Post by minkie on Feb 27, 2006 22:41:33 GMT -5
I still say they sacrificed Jonathan to get a storyline for Lily. They had no plan for Jonathan once he came back. He was supposed to stay dead, the fans demanded he come back, he did and TPTB had no idea what to do with him. so this is what they did and it sucked.
In the meantime Lily needed a story and voila.
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