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Post by Amy on Sept 8, 2006 19:16:28 GMT -5
Okay, today Jonathan says to Ryan, "The woman that I love could be hurt very badly and I can't do anything about it." He then says of Terry, "We're dealing with a determined sick pervert. A pedophile." Okay, there's a problem here. If Lily is "the woman" that Jonathan loves then Terry isn't a pedophile for being attracted to her---pedophile's are attracted to children. However, if Lily is essentially a child then how is it okay for Jonathan to say he's in love with her (and he's talking about married love)and want to be with her but Terry's a perv for being attracted to her? I'm not in any way trying to defend Terry the perv I'm just trying to point out another HUGE problem with this Jily storyline. They pushed how great it was that Jily were in love and at the same time want to push a storyline that Lily's stalker is a pedophile because he wants to be with such a young girl. Or is Lily a woman? I guess she's a woman when they want to push Jily and a girl when they want to put her in harms way. McT and anyone else who signed off on this months long nightmare of a storyline should be ashamed of themselves.
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Post by kallietop on Sept 8, 2006 19:30:42 GMT -5
ok sweeti - let's talk. this is the world of soaps!! we love jonathan. jonathan is good. jonathan is awesome. yes-the writers are idiots!!!! they are all idiots. but we pretend all is well and things are normal and as they should be!!!!!!!!
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Post by Liz on Sept 8, 2006 19:42:44 GMT -5
Amy, that's a great comment. From what I understand, though, Terry has done things to YOUNG girls.
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Post by kallietop on Sept 8, 2006 19:46:11 GMT -5
not as young as emma - annie says he likes girls but not as young as emma/kate.
and it was a little different when jon was slow. don't know what to say about after!!!!!!! terri likes lily because of her child like ways. and jon liked her for all the ways she is intelligent and the things she can teach him.
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Post by Amy on Sept 8, 2006 19:51:00 GMT -5
Liz, I know Terry raped the babysitter and molested some girls on a soccer team he coached but did they ever say if these girls were little girl young or high school girl young? I think a pedophile finds sexually undeveloped children attractive. I guess I may have just been assuming that since he went after Lily (who is physically mature) that the other girls he went after were high school age too. Annie's comments left me with the impression that she was worried about what Terry would do to Emma when Emma was older.
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Post by Amy on Sept 8, 2006 19:54:39 GMT -5
not as young as emma - annie says he likes girls but not as young as emma/kate. and it was a little different when jon was slow. don't know what to say about after!!!!!!! terri likes lily because of her child like ways. and jon liked her for all the ways she is intelligent and the things she can teach him. Guys, I don't actually think that Jonathan is a perv I'm just trying to point out that if you take the Terry is a perv arguement to it's logical conclusion then it reflects badly on Jonathan. I adore Jonathan and I hate the way his character has been f**ked over because of this Jily shite.
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Post by Liz on Sept 8, 2006 20:14:55 GMT -5
Amy, I know you don't think Jonathan is a perv, and I really do think that's a great point you bring up.
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Post by kallietop on Sept 8, 2006 20:17:18 GMT -5
sweeti - i know you don't. i'm trying to justify the situation on how it's ok for terri to like her and be sick compared to jonathan. the twit (what's her name) oh annie made it clear a while ago that she's afraid of what he'd do when she is older. i have the opinion that he likes teens. lord knows teens can be built!!!! it's more of the grown but still innocent and him wanting to take advatage of that. lily falls in that category because she is not mentally an adult. i think that is how they are justifying him attacking lily as being ok. jon wasn't trying to take advantage of her at all!!! i think that is where the difference is coming from.
jon wants to protect her while terry wants to hurt her and take her innocense.
AND i know what and why you're asking. it's a good point. and i know you don't think jon is a perv!!!!!!!!
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Post by Amy on Sept 8, 2006 20:22:49 GMT -5
Thanks, Liz and Charity. I guess it just set me off today that Lily is still being put up as the "woman" Jon loves. Then they go to a scene where she's practically jumping up and down and stomping her feet when she's saying, "I'm not young! I'm an adult!" I just wanted one of Ryans bodyguards to say, "You could have fooled us." Again, I think that Terry is a demented scum who should be locked up for life---I just don't understand how the writers can't see how crazy it is to prop Jily in one scene and then cast Lily as a child and victim in another.
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Post by Amy on Sept 8, 2006 20:58:20 GMT -5
i have the opinion that he likes teens. lord knows teens can be built!!!! it's more of the grown but still innocent and him wanting to take advatage of that. lily falls in that category because she is not mentally an adult. i think that is how they are justifying him attacking lily as being ok. jon wasn't trying to take advantage of her at all!!! i think that is where the difference is coming from. jon wants to protect her while terry wants to hurt her and take her innocense. Charity, that's a great point. It makes me feel better to think of it the way you described it. I can see the difference but I still don't like Jily as a romantic relationship. It just looked a little icky to me and I hated to have to see a character I adore in that way. It bugged/bugs the crap out of me. I think that if I saw Leven and Jeff together as a couple in the real world I'd think to myself, "What a scum. Can't he find someone his own age to be with?" I guess "Jily" has bothered me so much more now that Jonathan is "recovered." He's mentally and physically an adult so he should have immediately thought, "Oh my god, I have to get out of this relationship now. It's totally innappropriate."
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Post by kallietop on Sept 8, 2006 21:04:22 GMT -5
i have the opinion that he likes teens. lord knows teens can be built!!!! it's more of the grown but still innocent and him wanting to take advatage of that. lily falls in that category because she is not mentally an adult. i think that is how they are justifying him attacking lily as being ok. jon wasn't trying to take advantage of her at all!!! i think that is where the difference is coming from. jon wants to protect her while terry wants to hurt her and take her innocense. Charity, that's a great point. It makes me feel better to think of it the way you described it. I can see the difference but I still don't like Jily as a romantic relationship. It just looked a little icky to me and I hated to have to see a character I adore in that way. It bugged/bugs the crap out of me. I think that if I saw Leven and Jeff together as a couple in the real world I'd think to myself, "What a scum. Can't he find someone his own age to be with?" I guess "Jily" has bothered me so much more now that Jonathan is "recovered." He's mentally and physically an adult so he should have immediately thought, "Oh my god, I have to get out of this relationship now. It's totally innappropriate." jily bothered me when jon was grown up again. but i realized. erin and jonathan didn't know how to love. the world is new. jonathan is now learning the differernce between love and being in love. he loves lily but as a protector. not passion sexual. they way the grew up they had no knowledge. once i realized all that i understood why recovered jonathan is confused. he'll make it. he's confused in a sweet way!!!
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Post by Amy on Sept 8, 2006 21:12:14 GMT -5
Another good point, Charity! I'll try to think of it that way and then maybe I won't be shouting at my TV so much. I'm sure my cats would appreciate that. ;D
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Post by Kelly on Sept 8, 2006 21:21:28 GMT -5
I think this a great point Amy -- and this is the problem I had with this HORRIBLE s/l from the beginning. How are we supposed to suspend reality enough to believe that the Lily/Jon relationship wasn't, well, gross and inappropriate?
I understand that Jonathan is in no way a perv and is no way Terry material. The problem is tptb shouldn't catergorize Terry as a pedophile. Because, like you said earlier, when I hear the word pedophile I think of some sicko who goes after young young children (i.e. pre-pubescent) not necessarily high school age children. Going after an 18 year old girl is not pedophile material...because in reality a pedophile wouldn't even be INTERESTED in someone like Lily -- she's far too old and well, sorry to be graphic, but too developed.
tptb can't have it both ways. Either Lily is incompetent and childlike or Lily is a mature adult. They wrote the character of Lily into a corner with this relationship, and I think it did the character of Jon a great disservice as well.
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Post by kallietop on Sept 8, 2006 21:27:01 GMT -5
hey - what is the law on this. not jonathan of course but terri. what he is doing is sooo wrong but lily is 18. but he likes girls. underage but i assume virgins he can scare and control. to me (and no offense to our younger posters because you know i have a lot of respect for you) but as a mom they are kids. legally is that still being a pedophile???
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Post by Amy on Sept 8, 2006 21:28:49 GMT -5
Thank you, Kelley! You just said exactly what I wanted to say but couldn't quite articulate! Man, I'll bet you're a great Assistant D.A. The funny thing with Jonathan and McT is that I have to give her credit for creating such a great character but then it seemed like she was hell bent on destroying the character. I don't understand why. I missed the whole "monster Ryan" thing but it sounds like she did the same thing to another great character she created. Maybe they should just let McT create the characters but then take them away from her before she destroys them.
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